this will accelerate the development of the fellow -- of alternative sources of energy. you will see fracking going on on steroids. we have to reduce the power of the russians that are behaving this way. the power comes to guns and gas. if we can reduce the dependence on their oil and gas, they will have less power and president cutin will not be that popular and the russian people might think there is a better way to go. you to knowthem rip that? >> i think he knows that and i think he is flexing his muscles to show that he still really powerful, in the military sense at least. basically, that system, depending upon guns and gas cannot survive in the long-term. they have got to reform their system so it is not state-owned, it is not a bunch of oligarchs and a bunch of corruption that infiltrates the entire economy. that is what is happening in the ukraine and not what happened in russia -- and that is what has happened in russia as well. >> thank you for joining me, the former senator, congressman, secretary of defense, william cohen. coverage continues from washington.